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blast-off in my time machine there I

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off cold blast off it must hurt [\h__\h]

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there I feel like it need my sleep last

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hello ladies and gentlemen hello well

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we've got a we got something special

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today something very special in my

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opinion mm-hmm a very special individual

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he is the type of person that doesn't

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come around usually but once a

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generation and I'm talking about the the

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man in the myth the legend Tom dango

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from Arizona he is the author of a

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variety of books over twelve distinct

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works merging dimensions the opening of

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portals of Sedona the mysteries of

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Sedona the New Age frontier the alien

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tide mysteries of Sedona book two the

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quest in pursuit of mastery unseen

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beings unseen worlds shining the light

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everything you want to know about Sedona

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in a nutshell and there's nobody who can

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tuck the opening of portals and the

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unseen beings like Tom dango he is if if

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you want to compare it to the old

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Sherman Ranch or the Utah UFO ranch that

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everyone knows about

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there is a ranch in Arizona known as the

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Bradshaw ranch which is every bit as

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active it is amazing it's definitely got

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proximity portal activity and we're

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gonna have the guy that knows the most

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about it explain it so I've talked to

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Tom before he's a gem of an individual

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it's just a genuinely good person

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and he actually cares about the

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well-being of others something that's

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hard to find these days especially when

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it comes into researchers and egos and

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all these things that Tom's not that

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about really at all and he

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wholeheartedly was there when the

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activity started with mrs. Bradshaw and

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he saw the paths of power that this

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activity took and how it interacted with

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the people that were there on the

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property and he was one of them it's

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very likely that he is the equivalent of

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a Ryan Layton to the old chairman

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property or the Utah UFO ranch many

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names and this is like I said the

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Bradshaw ranch has secrets all its own

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it's very important not to box carpet

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compartmentalize and try to make one

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paranormal property more important than

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another because they are all connected

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it's important to realize this so

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without further ado I mean the knowledge

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that's gonna come from Thomism not only

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from the source but it's it's some of

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the best knowledge there is out here so

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Tom dango coming up hi Tom yeah how's it

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going bill pretty good pretty good

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finally cooling off down here in Arizona

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that's been a brutally hot summer oh my

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gosh it's been bad here in Vegas where

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I'm at - but yeah man it's it's a

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pleasure and an honor to have you on the

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podcast I I went through a variety of

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the works that you've written regarding

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this subject and you know

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interdimensional beings entities I love

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in your writing you you mentioned them

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in the unseen it's just so cool I have

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so many questions and so so many so many

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places I want to I want to start but I

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wanted to begin with merging dimensions

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my gosh can you tell us was was the

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activity that you're aware of Tom there

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prior to Linda arriving after she were

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it or was it something when when you

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looking back when did you first get the

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specific idea her idea that this had

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been here for a specific amount of time

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soon as I got that I started hearing

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these crazy stories about being aliens

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and UFOs and really really strange stuff

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going on so I started digging into it

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and I got enough information to write a

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book you know not alien tide and it kind

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of went from there and then I got to

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meet Linda Bradshaw and then it never

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really took off so as a result I've

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written seven books that are pretty much

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on that same subject the whole thing and

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they're all must reads they really are

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the eye the other thing I wanted to

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now is I mean being a resident there you

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I mean the thousands of miles that you

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hiked checking out those deserts those

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canyons I mean the the the type of

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research has changed significantly

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there's a lot of armchair researchers

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nowadays they never leave their office

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right right right yeah and I just find

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that in in in your works of literature

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that comes right through it comes right

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through and I think that's why your

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books are just so I can treating and

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they draw people in because it's just

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honest and it's not sugar-coated it's

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just what it is and there were a bunch

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more questions I wanted to ask you when

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did you first see something on the

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property Oh

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almost immediately I spent pointing out

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always on the Bradshaw ranch you know

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the Bradshaw act was completely

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different than any other place in the

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world over I think I know you might know

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but in Walker ranch

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intimately the Stardust ranch I I stayed

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when I stayed away from Stardust if they

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scared me it really did stuff that went

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on down there

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and you know other places so it went on

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it was you know the what happened on the

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bridge my ranch was completely good I

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mean there was no wasn't anything bad

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happened on Bradshaw it could have been

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it was plenty of opportunity for us but

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and you know Lynn and I I've said in my

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lectures the lender and I would never

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hurt in any way with all the stuff that

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went on the ranch or a it was it was

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pretty incredible I love this three

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books been written about it Linda wrote

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one and I wrote two it's all about the

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Bradshaw ranch and it's still there's a

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phenomena I'm really really happy that I

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got to be involved with because it was a

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life-changing experience the things that

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we ran into there that you know as I've

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seen creatures that we probably rubbed

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shoulders with constantly and I think

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they could see us but we couldn't see

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them it was in and then you know

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creatures we were seeing on a branch

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alright well they still are you and

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today so strange things are happening on

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the bench alright so it is

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probably gonna let me continue for what

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a while record a while in the University

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of Northern Arizona police Pez the lease

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on a pair chair ranch now to the Forest

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Service and they're going to build a

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dormitory they're going to bulldoze the

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ranch houses in build a dormitory right

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where the ranch house where so it's you

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know it's gonna be pretty interest or

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ease the stories I'm I'm gonna here I

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sure gonna be very very interesting yes

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and with those stories would you say

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that the phenomena is associated only

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with the ranch or is it associated with

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the whole area well I think it was

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centered in the Bradshaw ranch but it's

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I've run into the work when I ran into

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Ana Bradshaw ranch I've run into in all

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the Canyon and this goes back he goes

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back as far as 1922 the first first

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parallel incident of the Cowboys running

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into a UFO was in 1922 in secret engine

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so it's in the air for a while well 1922

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yeah so some of those canyons the energy

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is just I mean it's very hard I don't

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think you can get too many of those

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canyons anymore almost all of them have

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been either closed off by the Forest

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things out or they're private there's um

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and they're all fenced off from what I

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understand and but those are all magical

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places as well yeah well secret Canyon

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is still the Benison and I was I was in

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Boynton Canyon two weeks ago and I

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haven't been in Boyd Canyon about five

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years by five or five to eight years and

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and the energy is back up in in blaine

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canyon now it's just what it was 30

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years ago which really surprised me

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because it was so many people have been

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in blaine Canyon you know it just

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dissipated the point where there was no

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energy left but if it's back up to what

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it was I don't know why but it I was

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kind of you know excited to find it like

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it was some incredibly strange things

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happen in Boyd Canyon

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however would you say that these

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energies they recharge possibly yeah I

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think they do it for some reason I don't

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know why probably has something to it

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earth energy or whatever but it kind of

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threw out that you know there's just too

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many people here now that's that's the

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drawback isn't there too many people

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there's too many people have moved here

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so a lot of what was isn't anymore you

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know so I don't know but the UFO

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activity has really been company comes

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and goes and when it's still when it's

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intense here we just had a UFO flap here

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just a few weeks ago a strange storm

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really strange stolen it kidded this

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wave and dissipated in a some kind of a

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huge object route through it at a

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hundred and eighty miles now on the

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whole thing disappear with people

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witnessed it they saw it happen and I

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somebody call me and said you know it's

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Tom you drew a picture of thirty years

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ago a UFO it's exactly like that one

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that's who we were through the storm and

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I said really I totally didn't remember

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it but she's you know that's exactly the

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way you you you drove so I'm gonna well

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okay I totally don't remember it but

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right after that we had a pretty

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significant significant UFO flap we had

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in Rimrock the people watched a broad

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daylight what two o'clock in the day and

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people watched a UFO hovering over went

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Beaver Creek it's pretty good-sized

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River and was sucking water out of out

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of the creek and and I didn't get I

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didn't get to talk to these people I

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just don't have the time to chase these

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people down any more of it and right

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after that some people right near me in

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Cornville from hour-and-a-half

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huge sagashi ship hovered over their

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house they stood up here watch this okay

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so here we got a case of mind control of

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missing time no photographs potata

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but I'm sure under hypnosis some strange

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things happen to those people in this a

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broad daylight and they said it was huge

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and it

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on the top mm-hmm yeah pretty straight

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do you think that there are portals in

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the area are there portals are they

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constant intermittent are they in one

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location in one time and what are they

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or where are they oh you know there's a

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lot of controversy about the vortex

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isn't text isn't of portals and kind of

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stuff around here but it gets real I

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mean stuff to people experience I did

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vortex to us first two years I was in

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sadhana I made that living I can't sit

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watch you know the effects of the

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vortexes there aren't just for there are

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hundreds of them here in the canyon so I

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got to watch they affected women mostly

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and it was could be pretty dramatic so

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I'd say maybe no five out of ten people

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that would be affected by the vortexes

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and it affects everybody in different

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ways and it was mostly mental healing I

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only remember one physical healing but

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to me it was kind of like getting a

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tune-up walking into a vortex was ugly

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if I remember it seven point eight Hertz

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and that's supposedly from what I

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understand the perfect vibration of

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human body so but at any rate people can

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tank out you know they said I feel

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wonderful and some of them I would

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contact a couple weeks later and I they

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call me and I see how you doing I make

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ya'll just just fantastic every other

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problems I had those worried about it

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gone so oh there you go Wow I wanted to

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ask you something

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that is of interest like a huge interest

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to me in chapter 3 of the book you

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mentioned the Invisibles and if you

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don't mind I want to read because I love

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your description of because like you

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said I mean there's similarities to like

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other areas like the old Sherman place

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but this is such a great description

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quickly lifted his camera over his head

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and focused on a being which was

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directly behind him he did this without

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turning around Tom then quickly brought

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the camera to his side and directed it

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behind him to catch the body when the

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photos came back we were both somewhat

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surprised there was a definite being

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with a head and body due to angle from

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the camera and which it was directed

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only the forehead and hair was visible

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on one photo on the other photo there

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was a definite body visible that's

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intense

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yeah we you know Linda and I all my

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books are going out of print but they're

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on they're on ebooks and that Kindle Jim

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only one where reprinting merging

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dimension we're totally overhaul and

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merging dimensions right now with new

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photographs really really good for the

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and and then we developed the film the

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next day she was apartment what was on

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the film and sometimes it was stunning I

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mean just Ashley incredible look when

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one night all my fault

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all the best photographs I have we got

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him in one night that the very best ones

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I've got we had a big up again alone one

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night only one night okay so the energy

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was high we were being watched

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constantly by creatures something

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something and we found after about two

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years we figured out that both my

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cameras the old 35 millimeter cameras

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went when the when they were powered up

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and the flash was ready it had a little

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red white on the little little red light

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on the back of the camera so we found

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out that we were getting strange

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photographs didn't make any sense so we

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figured out that they were see if they

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were watching that red light and when we

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brought the camera up they would duck a

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little area get in front of the camera

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whatever so what we did was extended we

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started putting our thumb over that red

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light and then just you know we'll be

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walking along and take a take a

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photograph over our head behind this and

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whatnot that's when we started getting

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some really spectacular stuff and one

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night I went into my van to reload my

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camera I hit a big band and I sense

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there's something look at the times

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first time I smelled burning

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like burning tar himself upon the end of

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my band it was song and another night I

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knew something was behind me so I

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reloaded my camera got all powered up

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and turn around real quick and took a

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flash I press the shutter button before

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before I was all the way around so I

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couldn't get out of go hey I press the

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shutter button and to this day I feel

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bad about this I think I heard something

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really bad there was kind of an

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explosion in front of the camera and it

367
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looked like a huge Daisy just flashed

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out like a daisy and then it will - it

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just just kind of melted right in front

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of me and I go whoa so I have no idea

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what that was but I think I caught

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something totally by surprise it heard

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it I think it got hurt so you know

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that's the kind of stuff that went on

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the Bradshaw ranch every night yeah yeah

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in this this augmented reality that you

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had through this portal proximity and

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and and the ability that you had to

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actually photograph it is stunning the

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III I was really impressed that I mean

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so far ahead of your time Tom

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you had it was a different term than

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what people use now you called them

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houseguests and loosely I use that term

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loosely I'll just read the it says I

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okay so I use this term houseguests

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loosely because these particular guests

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were not invited one evening I was

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sitting in the living room and looked up

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to see a cloud of energy hovering in the

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corner of the room this was a new one

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I'd seen balls of light in the house

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which is not uncommon for some people

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but never had I witnessed this form in

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the house before not wanting to miss the

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opportunity to record it I hurried to

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the kitchen for my camera which was

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sitting on the counter I reached for the

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camera and in my surprise and amazement

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I realized that this body of energy had

401
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followed me into the kitchen and was now

402
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wrapping itself around my legs the

403
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distinct sensation of electrical ions

404
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pricked at me I was furious

405
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but not angry enough to miss a good shot

406
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so I aim the camera directly at my legs

407
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and feet and snapped a shutter on

408
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certain terms I apologize

409
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I then told this whatever to leave did

410
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it leave because this is this is a term

411
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that's so far ahead of its time Tom

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everybody now calls them hitchhikers or

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unwanted guests or but you called them I

414
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love that you called them houseguests

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because they were there and I stood in

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the back I wrote that she wrote the

417
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first half the one I wrote the second

418
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that's something she wrote but Wow you

419
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know you know you know the stuff that

420
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happens because the cleaning involved

421
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with her all the time you know in that

422
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there was a there was a yeah I mean this

423
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one was too hard to believe if I didn't

424
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you know if I didn't know limit that

425
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well and I trusted to a hundred and ten

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percent

427
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but she never never made any of this

428
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stuff up but there was a Linda ahead of

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bad guy so she slept on the couch I

430
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didn't know living room and the she put

431
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a camera on the coffee table in front of

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the PR the couch and something takes her

433
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camera over see it pictures everywhere

434
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except one one night it took that again

435
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oh we lost you for example seconds yeah

436
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,560
no worries so it did what it did wanna

437
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go me now yeah yeah we got you you got

438
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me now yes sir okay yeah okay so

439
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something something was picking up the

440
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camera off the coffee table and over a

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three month period it took 49

442
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photographs inside the Rancho except

443
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where Linda was sleeping one night it

444
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took a panorama all around the inside of

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the living room and it it didn't take a

446
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picture of Linda so in whatever took

447
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these pitches was three feet tall

448
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because we figured that out from the

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angle that the the creature occurred the

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camera so one night we were there were

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six of us sitting around the kitchen

452
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table and I said let's dust the camera

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with baby powder and see if see if this

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thing picks it up tonight so we did we

455
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busted the camera would baby powder and

456
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it picked the camera up and it took one

457
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picture and it's a it's an allergic

458
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marriage interventions my work

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and Linda's book the prince that it left

460
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on the camera one one on the other on

461
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the end of the camera was a square and a

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lot of time looks like a print with a

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claw a very very finger with a claw on

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it that's it's a it's real clear so you

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know they never came back it never took

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another picture inside the Rancho it's

467
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almost as if getting caught for these

468
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tricksters or whatever you want to call

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them these dimensional entities that are

470
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able to fold time and space and and seek

471
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paths into another alternate reality

472
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augmented through a portal proximity I

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assume we'd really don't know these are

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all we're really these are all theories

475
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but the evidence is there and you know I

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happen I won't go into my story but I

477
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believer from what I experienced and

478
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others in the area during a stay when

479
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and this is prior anyway this this is

480
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regardless it there's definitely a

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dimensionality in a portal ish proximity

482
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feel to this you get I don't want to

483
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call it an augmented reality but you see

484
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into a different reality or a different

485
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reality comes into ours which is more

486
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likely yeah well you know it's allowing

487
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us are we're surrounded by unseen beings

488
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I mean that's week later and I found

489
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that out on the Bradshaw act I mean we

490
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could actually feel them moving around

491
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us at night and I think the center what

492
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they were rubbed off on me and Linda I

493
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have I have an extreme we went viewing a

494
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birdie I can look into a human body even

495
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a thousand thousands of miles away I

496
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just did it for the Roman in Singapore

497
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so this is there's no affair I've done

498
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this on hundreds of people and it's it's

499
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a it's like x-ray vision seeing into a

500
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human body but it's really remote

501
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viewing and I I just realized that

502
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been doing this my whole life mm-hmm I

503
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guess I'm an attorney I'm a natural

504
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remote viewer because I psychologist

505
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friend of mine tested me on it once for

506
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three months and it was pretty

507
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illustrate was pretty amazing so I do

508
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have an amazing amazing remote viewing

509
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ability oh absolutely and the the

510
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interesting thing is these are areas at

511
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least geographically and geologically

512
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speaking at least ain't even the native

513
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shaman of the area were encountering

514
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similar lights in the sky encountering

515
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similar abilities encountering similar

516
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secrets geomancy

517
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like it's basically special areas of the

518
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earth produce a certain kind of energy

519
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that can be tapped into whether somebody

520
00:23:56,910 --> 00:23:53,740
wants to or not it's just kind of mixed

521
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in and recorded into your DNA and when

522
00:24:01,980 --> 00:23:59,170
you navigate you may actually be able to

523
00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:01,990
pull back a file and and you know reach

524
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into your quiver so to speak geographic

525
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locations are recharging that Energy's

526
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going somewhere is that the entities the

527
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observers the other animals in the area

528
00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:13,780
that happened to see things or you know

529
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:15,790
it's really is it reactionary you know

530
00:24:19,950 --> 00:24:17,860
is it intimately involved with whatever

531
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they are seeing for whatever reason that

532
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I don't know but other people believe

533
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that it is more just like oh you just

534
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saw something that's happening all the

535
00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:30,030
time it's an intermittent portal and

536
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there I think that there is a residual

537
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truth to that as well I mean this has

538
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been going on for centuries haven't it

539
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time well yeah I see most of the the the

540
00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:41,290
sanella petroglyphs that are in the

541
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canyons and some of them are really

542
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:47,350
strange I mean I met an archaeologist

543
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:49,450
that he said a lot of this just they're

544
00:24:52,350 --> 00:24:50,890
just doodling it doesn't really doesn't

545
00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:52,360
mean anything so that I'm sure that's

546
00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:55,870
true but the Indians or course you know

547
00:24:59,910 --> 00:24:58,120
the Indians were they didn't have to

548
00:25:01,950 --> 00:24:59,920
deal with the stuff what we did we do

549
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:01,960
now so they were probably really into

550
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,550
love the earth energies and creatures

551
00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:05,580
and probably you an ace to

552
00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:10,780
extraterrestrials but yeah yeah it would

553
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:12,940
it would be it would be really

554
00:25:15,150 --> 00:25:14,770
interesting interesting to go back 2,000

555
00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:15,160
years

556
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,460
and you know behavior on the India so

557
00:25:23,670 --> 00:25:21,360
I'll see what they know but they they

558
00:25:26,490 --> 00:25:23,680
yeah would have been it would have been

559
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:26,500
interesting they were much more I think

560
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:27,850
you're right they were much more

561
00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:31,870
intimately involved with the with the

562
00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:33,700
planet upon which they lived and even

563
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:36,100
the dynamics of some of those canyons

564
00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:38,610
and some of those energies that are

565
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:40,990
seeping out for whatever reason from the

566
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,070
core of the earth or through portal like

567
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:47,200
I love the word portal because like you

568
00:25:52,410 --> 00:25:49,930
said I mean you know the first time I

569
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:52,420
went to Sedona you hear all the you know

570
00:25:57,870 --> 00:25:54,940
the vortex portal stuff UFOs and I'm

571
00:26:00,420 --> 00:25:57,880
thinking okay I've lived next to

572
00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:00,430
skinwalker ranch this is not this let me

573
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:02,260
see what's you know come on you know

574
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:05,110
feeling like oh you know I I knew

575
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:07,510
something but what I realized is it's a

576
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:10,990
completely different something and it's

577
00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:14,640
just as powerful just as amazing just as

578
00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:18,040
intuitive and intelligently like you

579
00:26:27,390 --> 00:26:22,350
said these are actual entities they have

580
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,400
actual traits and and and and some of

581
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:28,720
the things I witnessed I

582
00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:33,010
I mean are possible and so I believe

583
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:36,550
100% I I mean is it's really pretty

584
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:38,770
amazing the research that you were doing

585
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:42,970
in this area and the timeframe that you

586
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:45,610
were doing it was very very very close

587
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:49,330
in fact with the timeframe that the

588
00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:52,290
Sherman ranch was having an explosion

589
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:55,720
right tivity well you know you know

590
00:26:59,340 --> 00:26:57,850
everybody knows the Bigfoot exists

591
00:27:01,080 --> 00:26:59,350
scientists say they don't because

592
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:01,090
there's no proof well as tons of proof

593
00:27:08,850 --> 00:27:02,830
you know I

594
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:08,860
there's I've seen traction in the canyon

595
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:11,910
and recently and it

596
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:14,230
these creatures materialize and

597
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:16,630
dematerialize somehow and I know big

598
00:27:23,670 --> 00:27:21,640
feet can do that but this this fellow he

599
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,680
was in Lincoln Canyon and he

600
00:27:28,629 --> 00:27:26,000
photographed what has to be a dog man

601
00:27:31,619 --> 00:27:28,639
and I thought ago great we know we got

602
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,629
dug men around here and it's it's a

603
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:33,200
clearly to me

604
00:27:36,879 --> 00:27:34,730
and do a lot of other people it's a bag

605
00:27:40,749 --> 00:27:36,889
man track and it was down and it's

606
00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:40,759
lenient on the bone behind its paw it's

607
00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:42,830
a it's a big it's about dog man-sized

608
00:27:47,889 --> 00:27:44,990
pretty big but because there's your hand

609
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:47,899
you know you can open your hand so I

610
00:27:53,769 --> 00:27:52,129
followed I don't you know I push 275 now

611
00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:53,779
so I don't I don't get out like I used

612
00:28:01,149 --> 00:27:58,190
to in a jungle but the I don't know how

613
00:28:04,690 --> 00:28:01,159
many times I found tracks in the canyons

614
00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:04,700
that matured it and stopped and I used

615
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,470
to talk about this for the video that

616
00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:08,960
the tour guides around here and the ones

617
00:28:14,049 --> 00:28:11,000
that get into the woods you know that

618
00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:14,059
they they they've seen them too and I

619
00:28:20,769 --> 00:28:18,950
found that it still kind of kind of

620
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:20,779
gives me the creeps a little bit i yeah

621
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:24,799
I was so you know a difference between

622
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:27,470
me and armchair researches if I go out

623
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:30,950
on that turf I had him on I had him on a

624
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:33,350
trip and sometimes I think I'm pretty

625
00:28:40,029 --> 00:28:37,490
lucky not to yeah well this one night I

626
00:28:41,619 --> 00:28:40,039
was I was I actually took I have an m1

627
00:28:43,779 --> 00:28:41,629
carbine I actually took it with me the

628
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:43,789
only time I ever taken a gun with me and

629
00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:46,070
it turns out like it probably came in

630
00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:48,980
real handy I was at the south end of the

631
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:51,470
Bradshaw ranch after some reason I found

632
00:28:56,619 --> 00:28:54,769
some tracks of an ATV that went down as

633
00:29:01,060 --> 00:28:56,629
a TVs everywhere we're back in those

634
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,070
days it was so I'm following these

635
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:03,919
tracks down through the bushes and on

636
00:29:08,619 --> 00:29:07,190
the way they dug a v-shape like like

637
00:29:11,019 --> 00:29:08,629
somebody was going to pitch a tent and

638
00:29:13,869 --> 00:29:11,029
dug a drainage around it but it was it

639
00:29:16,539 --> 00:29:13,879
was impossible pretend the wrong place

640
00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:16,549
and wrong card ground and if somebody

641
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:19,340
would have had to really work hard to

642
00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:21,049
dig that B into the ground

643
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:22,700
it was about 6 inches early ground like

644
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,950
I still can't figure that out so anyway

645
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:27,440
I continued on falling on the ATV down

646
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,409
the McClatchy and I came to a place

647
00:29:34,810 --> 00:29:32,720
where they had got out of this real

648
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:34,820
standing of sandy bottom with bushes all

649
00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:39,710
around the place and so I

650
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,380
I was just finished looking around and

651
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:45,440
they both have the exact same truth left

652
00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:49,340
size 11 they both had the brand name on

653
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,620
the bottom for the boss team say both

654
00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:53,840
guys had the same shoe you know where

655
00:29:57,670 --> 00:29:54,740
the government issue

656
00:29:59,230 --> 00:29:57,680
probably so anyway I'm looking around

657
00:30:01,030 --> 00:29:59,240
these guys wandering all over the place

658
00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:01,040
and then I found some other tracks that

659
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:02,750
were mixed in with these guys tracks

660
00:30:11,290 --> 00:30:06,290
with barefoot human track and it weighed

661
00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:11,300
about a thousand pounds I gotta go I

662
00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:13,940
kind of got into a little bit Roger Leir

663
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:15,860
and I ended up being just the best of

664
00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:17,690
friends but when I did a talk in Los

665
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:19,640
Angeles compressed itself in a tire

666
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:22,010
Roger wait a minute I talked spoke

667
00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:23,990
because that's impossible comment yeah

668
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:26,540
I'm atomically impossible did not it is

669
00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:28,430
a project what if it came from a

670
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,140
different universe he had no answer for

671
00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:32,960
that so anyway you know another

672
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:34,460
dimension what if he came from other

673
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,880
dimensions okay I thought I'm going

674
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:42,440
around looking at all these tracks you

675
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:44,660
know with the creaturely at first I did

676
00:30:48,790 --> 00:30:46,460
those guys meet the creature there and

677
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:48,800
they work together whether the creature

678
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:51,050
come after they left you know so I'm

679
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:53,570
looking around and I see I saw where the

680
00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:57,170
creature went up a embankment it was

681
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:59,030
kind of kind of like long you know it

682
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:00,080
was not Stan

683
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:02,330
I found the track that was still filling

684
00:31:06,970 --> 00:31:04,420
with water scared the hell out of me

685
00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:06,980
because the bushes are so thick down

686
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:09,320
there I said that damn thing is right

687
00:31:16,390 --> 00:31:12,830
here total hair watching me and I headed

688
00:31:17,890 --> 00:31:16,400
in one copy in my hand if I had to I

689
00:31:20,650 --> 00:31:17,900
probably could have done some damage but

690
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:20,660
I beat it out of there in a hurry that's

691
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:22,700
probably that well weirdest trees I

692
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:25,750
haven't got involved in a bradshaw and

693
00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:28,490
it's it's pretty it's it's pretty

694
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:29,150
amazing

695
00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:32,510
like the difference in research like you

696
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:33,920
were saying and I mean like you said

697
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:37,070
you're 75 I didn't see that long ago I

698
00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:40,430
mean gosh it was a bit ago but you were

699
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:42,800
in better shape than I that I remember

700
00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:46,610
and you know it a question that I wanted

701
00:31:52,419 --> 00:31:49,480
to ask you is is anybody doing any real

702
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:52,429
scientific research like you were in

703
00:32:00,249 --> 00:31:57,070
1895 in this area oh no no really

704
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,259
there's a you know the TV crews come to

705
00:32:07,629 --> 00:32:03,919
come here and they do you know stuff

706
00:32:09,609 --> 00:32:07,639
just for you know just for mmm

707
00:32:11,409 --> 00:32:09,619
makes make things make things more

708
00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:11,419
spectacular and similar stuff they do it

709
00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:13,009
majoring the energy and all that is

710
00:32:18,999 --> 00:32:15,820
really kind of BS I mean it's it's

711
00:32:20,409 --> 00:32:19,009
exaggerated stuff you know there's one

712
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:20,419
guy I'm trying to think of his name I

713
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:23,049
can't offhand but he has done

714
00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:25,850
measurements here I just kept all

715
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:28,999
Benjamin long tree Benjamin long tree he

716
00:32:36,669 --> 00:32:32,769
has been here he's real credible and so

717
00:32:38,649 --> 00:32:36,679
so you know but no no no real that you

718
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:38,659
know that when the camera crews come

719
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,970
here I've got so many so many

720
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:43,039
interviewers and some of these they

721
00:32:48,249 --> 00:32:44,840
bring their damn skeptics with them but

722
00:32:50,529 --> 00:32:48,259
debunkers drives me nuts it really does

723
00:32:52,779 --> 00:32:50,539
cuz they're just they're they're being

724
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:52,789
paid to debunk you and it really pisses

725
00:32:58,029 --> 00:32:54,470
it really pisses me off

726
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,039
mm-hmm in the future if a TV crew comes

727
00:33:01,629 --> 00:32:59,600
here and they get they got a bunker with

728
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:01,639
them well I won't do little I don't do

729
00:33:04,509 --> 00:33:02,090
it anymore

730
00:33:07,210 --> 00:33:04,519
I wanted to ask you Benjamin lonetree is

731
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:07,220
he that's the same vortex energy he goes

732
00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:09,830
into the vortex theory right the love

733
00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:14,860
like resonance and and that dirt so

734
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:20,600
these areas is there I'll ask you this

735
00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:23,809
but what is the best evidence to date on

736
00:33:30,129 --> 00:33:27,590
the existence of dimensional portals in

737
00:33:32,350 --> 00:33:30,139
Sedona or the area or the Bradshaw ranch

738
00:33:35,529 --> 00:33:32,360
what what was what's been the most

739
00:33:37,499 --> 00:33:35,539
impressive that you've seen because you

740
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:37,509
you I think you saw it in a special

741
00:33:44,499 --> 00:33:43,100
magical time well word of mouth you know

742
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:44,509
and when Lynne and I were on the ranch

743
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:48,440
we had countless crews from NBC

744
00:33:53,289 --> 00:33:51,289
Universal Studios you know the cable

745
00:33:56,049 --> 00:33:53,299
networks and every one of those crews

746
00:33:58,690 --> 00:33:56,059
was dumbfounded but what happened to her

747
00:34:00,100 --> 00:33:58,700
so they go back and I was telling we

748
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:00,110
need equipment all we have a

749
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:02,450
35-millimeter flash cameras

750
00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:05,990
all we have it's all we going forward we

751
00:34:11,410 --> 00:34:08,300
need to know some cameras that like the

752
00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:11,420
betacam cameras at the time was $100,000

753
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:13,160
camera it was the only camera that were

754
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:16,550
filling it up and I'll go back and tell

755
00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:18,650
you bars of what you saw you got film

756
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:21,950
evidence and we tell them we need radar

757
00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:24,020
we need ground-penetrating radar we need

758
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:26,840
cameras and we would give them you know

759
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:29,360
all rights to anything that they get you

760
00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:30,890
know we never agree that they got shot

761
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:34,420
down every single time they got nowhere

762
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:37,730
yeah it's it's so less about real

763
00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:40,490
research nowadays than it is about

764
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:43,430
dollars and cents and unfortunately you

765
00:34:48,010 --> 00:34:45,290
know that's where I have so much respect

766
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:48,020
for people like these independent

767
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:50,690
private individuals who are like Bigelow

768
00:34:56,380 --> 00:34:54,050
who and others you know who are putting

769
00:34:59,050 --> 00:34:56,390
so much of their own money into these

770
00:35:02,800 --> 00:34:59,060
areas that are fringe areas or areas

771
00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:02,810
that are a wild bet and yet it's paying

772
00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:04,820
off for them I have a lot of respect for

773
00:35:09,010 --> 00:35:07,160
that yeah yeah you can't have any

774
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,020
stranger on me you've got a you know and

775
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:12,560
I never did III I've had some

776
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:15,110
experiences and luckily I was able to

777
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:16,940
write books you know about it but some

778
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:19,130
of the things that I've had happened to

779
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:21,050
me were beyond belief

780
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:23,840
I mean you what it happened and I and

781
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:26,150
most but most the time I had witnesses

782
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:27,830
to prove it if you don't say well Tom do

783
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:29,240
you have any proof I said yeah three

784
00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:31,850
witnesses eyewitnesses the start exactly

785
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:34,040
the same thing I did but there's not a

786
00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:36,590
lot of other than photographs there's

787
00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:38,990
really not a lot of you know proof

788
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:41,480
except for eyewitness staff and

789
00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:43,910
first-person stuff in there but yeah

790
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:46,280
it's but you know Linda and I tried to

791
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:48,950
get the best sound I told her we need

792
00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:52,460
scientific equipment here and we didn't

793
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:54,520
get anywhere we got absolutely

794
00:35:59,860 --> 00:35:57,410
absolutely nothing no response from them

795
00:36:01,060 --> 00:35:59,870
like unit which I really Universal

796
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:01,070
Studios real well

797
00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:03,590
no they wouldn't they wouldn't they

798
00:36:06,970 --> 00:36:05,600
wouldn't put a penny into it and there

799
00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:06,980
was a time when the staff in the branch

800
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:09,620
and our answers at its peak they they I

801
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:11,090
guess not much money and not enough

802
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:12,380
money and there's something I don't know

803
00:36:16,089 --> 00:36:15,290
right that's the problem it's hard to

804
00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:16,099
get

805
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:21,380
cause it really is and you know when

806
00:36:27,009 --> 00:36:24,410
when people do it's like very refreshing

807
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:27,019
that people believe enough to you know

808
00:36:31,630 --> 00:36:29,180
in in stuff like your research and what

809
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:31,640
you found and your books

810
00:36:35,949 --> 00:36:34,130
I mean the variety of books and I think

811
00:36:39,459 --> 00:36:35,959
the path that you took with your books

812
00:36:41,289 --> 00:36:39,469
is very unique can you tell our guests

813
00:36:43,029 --> 00:36:41,299
about your books where they can get them

814
00:36:44,769 --> 00:36:43,039
if they're available and I know how that

815
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:44,779
is I have books that aren't available as

816
00:36:51,759 --> 00:36:48,729
well I know how that goes yeah well

817
00:36:54,099 --> 00:36:51,769
amazon.com they're there on ebooks and

818
00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:54,109
Kindle all my paper books are going out

819
00:36:58,420 --> 00:36:56,660
of print Amazon has a few left and we

820
00:36:59,890 --> 00:36:58,430
are reprinting emerging dimensions but

821
00:37:03,279 --> 00:36:59,900
but they're all going out of print right

822
00:37:04,959 --> 00:37:03,289
now paper print so that's that's that's

823
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:04,969
me reading dimensions will the only book

824
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:06,650
I have left

825
00:37:10,539 --> 00:37:08,180
pretty soon it's going to be it's going

826
00:37:12,339 --> 00:37:10,549
to be really really improved the change

827
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:12,349
of the cover is the Indian side stuff

828
00:37:16,959 --> 00:37:14,089
and the Kota quality of photographs were

829
00:37:18,819 --> 00:37:16,969
changing so it's going to be a really

830
00:37:21,459 --> 00:37:18,829
good book I got a story for you I was

831
00:37:23,469 --> 00:37:21,469
good I was you know we had we were

832
00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:23,479
trying to get people involved in the

833
00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:25,400
Bradshaw branch any big money people

834
00:37:28,479 --> 00:37:25,940
right

835
00:37:30,579 --> 00:37:28,489
so I a friend of mine I got to be

836
00:37:34,089 --> 00:37:30,589
friends with him when NBC was out here

837
00:37:35,529 --> 00:37:34,099
he was a top producer for NBC and I told

838
00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:35,539
him we need we need equipment we need

839
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:38,420
money and so he did the very best he

840
00:37:44,499 --> 00:37:41,150
could to get us whatever we needed you

841
00:37:48,279 --> 00:37:44,509
know and he was really enthusiastic and

842
00:37:50,489 --> 00:37:48,289
so one day I got a cutter I got an email

843
00:37:53,469 --> 00:37:50,499
from and he was scared to death

844
00:37:56,049 --> 00:37:53,479
somebody obviously got to him you know

845
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:56,059
who maybe the government found out about

846
00:38:00,039 --> 00:37:57,410
I don't know but he dropped it like a

847
00:38:03,339 --> 00:38:00,049
hot brick but he was really enthusiastic

848
00:38:05,319 --> 00:38:03,349
about you know doing a whole series on

849
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:05,329
the stuff that occurred at the Bradshaw

850
00:38:09,849 --> 00:38:07,369
and should some other stuff I wanted him

851
00:38:12,279 --> 00:38:09,859
to and I gave this to you know this idea

852
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:12,289
to a number of studios and no I don't

853
00:38:16,270 --> 00:38:14,569
come I always nobody did it but the

854
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:16,280
stuff that goes on in the Indian

855
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:20,960
is all about the stuff that goes on you

856
00:38:26,350 --> 00:38:23,560
know in Asia with with us white folks

857
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:26,360
because I dealt for quite a while with

858
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:28,370
the harpies of the Navajo and I heard

859
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:30,350
the stories they don't they don't get

860
00:38:36,220 --> 00:38:32,600
excited about it at all I mean one woman

861
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:36,230
had to edit a lien crack land in the

862
00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:37,910
front yard they got it all walked around

863
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:40,550
she went out and talked to him you know

864
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:42,110
and they got back in the ship and flew

865
00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:44,510
away I I ran into that about a half a

866
00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:47,270
dozen times it's no big deal to them but

867
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:50,420
I said listen listen I knew I was I had

868
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:54,530
a real strong contact with a Navajo as

869
00:38:58,660 --> 00:38:55,880
they trusted me because I had some

870
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,670
Navajo friends it hurry up we're in on

871
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:00,320
this with me so we were going to we

872
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:02,510
wanted to do with NBC we wanted to do a

873
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:06,710
show all the Indian reservations in the

874
00:39:11,970 --> 00:39:09,650
the ones in Washington state where

875
00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:11,980
actually the most traumatic that I know

876
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:15,950
wasn't we wanted to do a show and my

877
00:39:19,630 --> 00:39:17,720
friend in New York was really promoting

878
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:19,640
this to do a show interview the Indians

879
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:22,910
it would have been a fabulous show but

880
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:25,370
nobody I gave the idea away to you know

881
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,610
the students of people that you know the

882
00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:30,800
studio as the came here their networks

883
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:33,590
and nobody I say you can have it you

884
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:35,090
know give you the idea nobody nobody has

885
00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:38,410
done it you know and I don't know why

886
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:41,480
ancient aliens has a blast on it because

887
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:43,400
those Indians have some incredible

888
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:46,490
stories you go and sit with them and if

889
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,110
you've got some Navajos with you with

890
00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:50,480
you they'll tell you have been enough

891
00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:53,240
they have enough to know and they're not

892
00:39:57,370 --> 00:39:54,950
in if we go they're not enough for money

893
00:39:59,380 --> 00:39:57,380
they don't care but but if they you know

894
00:40:02,100 --> 00:39:59,390
you have to those people are so poor you

895
00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:02,110
have to do something for you have to in

896
00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:06,680
these these portal locations do you

897
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,020
think these are due to are they remnants

898
00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:14,240
of a distant past or possibly a distant

899
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:17,480
future or are they a constant or

900
00:40:24,090 --> 00:40:20,570
intermittent portal in a location just

901
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:24,100
due to specific time in like geology

902
00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:26,210
good question it's not something

903
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:27,740
nobody's ever asked me before I probably

904
00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:28,630
they probably

905
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:30,340
always have always been there and the

906
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:31,720
quarterly the Bradshaw range is still

907
00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:36,160
there because unless so that's how I was

908
00:40:42,450 --> 00:40:38,470
about six months ago six or eight months

909
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:42,460
ago three guys three very serious

910
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:45,940
researchers at a major encounter on the

911
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:48,250
Bradshaw edge well I'll go into it just

912
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,370
quickly they were I mean these guys had

913
00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:52,960
all the equipment they had everything

914
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:56,200
they they all had good jobs and they so

915
00:40:59,760 --> 00:40:57,880
they positioned themselves around the

916
00:41:02,610 --> 00:40:59,770
Bradshaw ranch now this was well maybe

917
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:02,620
eight months ago now and I mean they had

918
00:41:07,860 --> 00:41:07,360
the best of best equip and so so after

919
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:07,870
dot

920
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:11,050
they sorry so this has everything to do

921
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:13,630
or the portal somehow and I think the

922
00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:15,550
portals there it'll always will be but

923
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:17,950
it does it goes dormant sometimes I

924
00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:20,230
think so anyway these guys one guy was

925
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:22,360
real first of the donor portal if the

926
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:26,290
portal was always just a moment ranch to

927
00:41:31,260 --> 00:41:28,660
the to the east and about thirty feet

928
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:31,270
off the ground it was pretty big there's

929
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:33,870
about twenty to twenty feet across in

930
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,700
diameter so these guys these guys are

931
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:41,680
positions on the ranch and I interviewed

932
00:41:47,220 --> 00:41:44,110
these guys for two hours it was uh I've

933
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:47,230
got a take but anyway they were one guy

934
00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:49,740
was up at the windmill there's a window

935
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:52,360
for the ranch there and it still is

936
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:54,730
still operating and he was the window

937
00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:57,130
big mistake so really weird things have

938
00:42:01,590 --> 00:41:58,660
happened around that wind will I don't

939
00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:01,600
know why but anyway they were there they

940
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:03,070
were they had all the equipment

941
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:05,170
operating at any start car coming down

942
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:09,250
from the hill to the east of HR ranch

943
00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:12,130
but they knew where the road was but it

944
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:13,630
wasn't on the road it was coming down

945
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:15,490
through the trees like it was a car

946
00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:18,490
driving down a road actually impossible

947
00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:20,860
but if you know it's [\h__\h] like that's

948
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:23,260
going on the turns you know it gets down

949
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:26,830
to the flat on the ranch and it doesn't

950
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:28,600
go through the gate of the big block

951
00:42:32,580 --> 00:42:30,700
steel gate they've got it drives right

952
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:32,590
across the field which is really rough

953
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:35,190
and right through a chain-link fence

954
00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:38,410
didn't hurt the ticket or a fence across

955
00:42:42,609 --> 00:42:40,190
the cultivated feel that the

956
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:42,619
the University of Northern Arizona was

957
00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:44,329
doing something really I don't know they

958
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,940
they doing research on native native

959
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:49,760
Arizona plants and anyway these three

960
00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:52,250
guys are watching us right so so that

961
00:42:56,289 --> 00:42:53,960
the you know is a there was a perfect

962
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:56,299
car headlights taillights the whole deal

963
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:01,220
and so it made a turn it went through

964
00:43:07,299 --> 00:43:03,530
the chicken wire offense it twice again

965
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:07,309
and stop and in this girl gets up she's

966
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:11,839
wearing a white a white skirt and she

967
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:13,609
walks real fast around the back of the

968
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:15,170
ranch house and the guy on the yellow I

969
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:17,390
forgot this guy's name and just seeing a

970
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:20,510
guy with white pants walking towards her

971
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:24,049
ranch out below him and I saw my first

972
00:43:27,339 --> 00:43:25,609
thing I asked was did the girl have

973
00:43:30,849 --> 00:43:27,349
enough time to take a pee and they said

974
00:43:33,279 --> 00:43:30,859
no she was she must he must have picked

975
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:33,289
something up okay the guy gave her

976
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:35,030
something you know so she went back you

977
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:38,240
know few ten seconds later she went back

978
00:43:43,779 --> 00:43:40,190
to the car walking fast

979
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:43,789
they said got in the car I mean

980
00:43:47,799 --> 00:43:45,710
headlights taillights brakes lights the

981
00:43:50,289 --> 00:43:47,809
whole deal drove through the chicken

982
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:50,299
wire bent again I crossed that

983
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:53,210
cultivated field smooth it's like on

984
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,089
pavement cross out of the ranch up the

985
00:44:01,089 --> 00:43:59,359
hill and disappeared so something

986
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:01,099
happened to those guys went when this

987
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,079
honking horn because they are the guy

988
00:44:09,099 --> 00:44:08,000
behind it up on the ranch was was

989
00:44:11,319 --> 00:44:09,109
disoriented

990
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:11,329
one guy was fine he was just fine but

991
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:13,640
the guy up in the windmill got so

992
00:44:16,539 --> 00:44:15,230
disoriented he got lost

993
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:16,549
he went instead of going down to the

994
00:44:18,789 --> 00:44:18,049
ranch he went up over the hill and got

995
00:44:21,609 --> 00:44:18,799
across

996
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,619
and I said I know I'm thinking wow you

997
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,839
know and I said okay now did you guys

998
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:26,000
have any missing time we were watching

999
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:28,970
our watches every second and we didn't

1000
00:44:33,579 --> 00:44:31,970
have any missing time so you know you're

1001
00:44:35,529 --> 00:44:33,589
not gonna believe us you're not gonna

1002
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:35,539
build it you're not you're not you're

1003
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,369
not gonna believe this I was with that

1004
00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:40,640
group of guys oh you are and you're

1005
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:45,430
absolutely right it was without a doubt

1006
00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:49,190
like you said there was something taking

1007
00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:54,590
place oh okay yeah I don't I yeah well

1008
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:57,590
it was quite a while well like you said

1009
00:45:06,220 --> 00:44:59,450
it was about it was it was one of those

1010
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:06,230
things where we we we knew what we saw

1011
00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:09,410
and this there was no road there this

1012
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:11,960
vehicle what this vehicle could not have

1013
00:45:18,310 --> 00:45:15,410
come in that way right and you know it's

1014
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:18,320
not like it's just one person saying

1015
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:20,810
this and we had like you said we had

1016
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:23,480
night vision thermal we had you name it

1017
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,440
yeah and it all caught different things

1018
00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:29,180
but we with the naked eye we knew we

1019
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:33,260
were seeing with you know it's very

1020
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:36,350
difficult to explain what we so you're

1021
00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:37,790
absolutely right there is something

1022
00:45:43,590 --> 00:45:39,980
there and now you said that the

1023
00:45:46,570 --> 00:45:43,600
phenomena is associated well at least

1024
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,580
real scientific research I'm not talking

1025
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:50,000
about the you said that it is now

1026
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:51,350
cordoned off correct and they're

1027
00:45:56,050 --> 00:45:53,590
checking Cottonwood growth is that

1028
00:46:00,970 --> 00:45:56,060
classified or can I actually say that

1029
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:00,980
yeah it's just yeah yeah University

1030
00:46:06,730 --> 00:46:04,850
stuff it's not okay so now it's all

1031
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:06,740
restricted just first so everybody knows

1032
00:46:11,170 --> 00:46:08,810
it's all a restricted area you cannot go

1033
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:11,180
in there but they're checking things

1034
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:14,150
that we kind of wonder what the specific

1035
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:16,630
effort is for not that we're questioning

1036
00:46:21,790 --> 00:46:18,890
but you know what they're doing

1037
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:21,800
sincerely but they K that they could be

1038
00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:24,290
checking that but at the same time it is

1039
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:28,460
a property and if there are portals in

1040
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:30,290
the area is it possible that they are

1041
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:31,910
being affected by that and isn't that

1042
00:46:36,430 --> 00:46:33,350
even something that they could share

1043
00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:36,440
with us I don't know if it is you

1044
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:37,820
wouldn't get anybody to talk about it

1045
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:42,470
you know they the the Forest Service is

1046
00:46:47,590 --> 00:46:44,540
kind of real attitude about paranormal

1047
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:47,600
stuff I know because I've had to deal

1048
00:46:53,530 --> 00:46:51,340
with it you know 20 25 years and they

1049
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:53,540
you know you wouldn't get into any talk

1050
00:46:59,020 --> 00:46:56,870
I tried you know it you know you know

1051
00:47:00,520 --> 00:46:59,030
clarity probably a fire departments

1052
00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:00,530
Police Department's no I think they

1053
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:02,680
don't they you you won't find any

1054
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:07,660
ready to talk yeah no you won't so yeah

1055
00:47:12,270 --> 00:47:09,880
are you doing with those guys yeah well

1056
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,280
that's the last thing that I know a big

1057
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,800
thing that happened on the ranch you

1058
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:16,720
know I was I was trying to lend them oh

1059
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:19,330
how she didn't think it was a big deal

1060
00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:21,730
at all I know okay that's you know oh

1061
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:24,580
yeah yeah we had an actual we haven't we

1062
00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:27,490
had an event of bilocation and I don't

1063
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:30,520
know where I saw this guy literally go

1064
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:33,670
from one part of the property where he

1065
00:47:37,050 --> 00:47:35,260
was talking to me on the walkie-talkie

1066
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:37,060
we all had walkie-talkies we were in

1067
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:39,250
constant communication keeping up with

1068
00:47:42,810 --> 00:47:41,140
the tempo and you know what's going on

1069
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:42,820
hey did you see that yeah we saw that

1070
00:47:49,110 --> 00:47:46,690
and the interesting part was I was

1071
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:49,120
talking to him and then I'll send I saw

1072
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:55,210
him and he was over by me and then he

1073
00:47:58,830 --> 00:47:57,490
was gone and then I talked to him and I

1074
00:48:02,300 --> 00:47:58,840
like where are you and he's like I have

1075
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:02,310
no idea he was completely like you said

1076
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:06,640
disoriented yeah no there's a lot going

1077
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:10,240
on and when you see these things and

1078
00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:14,110
you're able to actually it's a there's

1079
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:16,780
something comin through or there's some

1080
00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:20,230
kind of a there's a phenomena associated

1081
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:25,600
with it well there's something of a

1082
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,850
Bradshaw - you know I've heard a million

1083
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:30,640
times that they've got they know the

1084
00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:32,140
government probably has the last do it

1085
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:34,420
I've never brennick run across a shred

1086
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:35,770
of evidence that the government has

1087
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:38,470
anything to do with it there not a shred

1088
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:41,290
so I'm sure they you know they've got a

1089
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:43,450
big portfolio on all that stuff and

1090
00:48:47,370 --> 00:48:44,950
we've got copies of my books that

1091
00:48:49,350 --> 00:48:47,380
they've read you know and notes and my

1092
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:49,360
books or whatever but they they there's

1093
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,860
never been any government government

1094
00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:52,480
interference except for the Forest

1095
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:55,630
Service being pissed off about people

1096
00:49:00,750 --> 00:48:57,970
trespassing on the ranch at camping too

1097
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:00,760
close to the ranch I heard that they're

1098
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:03,010
arresting people now if it is private

1099
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:04,830
property and there's still a lot of

1100
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:07,690
research is going you know going in

1101
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:09,130
there at night and taking pictures and

1102
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:10,660
whatnot and somebody's only you know

1103
00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:11,290
that there

1104
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:13,060
arresting people now that's what I heard

1105
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,910
I heard it's completely restricted it's

1106
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:18,640
no longer even an option to do you know

1107
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:23,050
like it's not like it used to be and on

1108
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:26,050
a whim you know an interesting thing is

1109
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:31,450
that the now it seems like the more even

1110
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:33,550
camping nearby like you said where in

1111
00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:35,850
the past I I remember even tour

1112
00:49:39,590 --> 00:49:37,780
organizations like from a distance will

1113
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,600
say oh there's the famous biochar ranch

1114
00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:42,240
but now they don't even want that like

1115
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:45,400
do you I don't know I don't think I also

1116
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:46,660
agree that I don't think there's a

1117
00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:49,470
government but I think it's a natural

1118
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:53,590
occurring possible there's there's

1119
00:50:00,800 --> 00:49:57,790
questions in a location that portals

1120
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:00,810
seem to allow things to take place

1121
00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:03,090
associated with this area in particular

1122
00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:08,080
is that is that tension to Bradshaw

1123
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:11,320
ranch or has it always been something

1124
00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:14,730
that do you think that will kind of

1125
00:50:19,710 --> 00:50:17,080
there's got to be a point where people

1126
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:19,720
realize that this could be and and this

1127
00:50:24,330 --> 00:50:22,480
is why I'm almost 100% for the

1128
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:24,340
University doing what they're doing and

1129
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:27,400
kind of locking the place down because

1130
00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:30,970
is there a possibility that this is kind

1131
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:33,100
of a special area and maybe it should

1132
00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:34,930
just be watched because that's what

1133
00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:35,500
they're doing

1134
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,180
ish correct well it probably doesn't

1135
00:50:45,150 --> 00:50:41,920
matter what anybody does is it's

1136
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:45,160
probably gonna paranormal phenomena it's

1137
00:50:49,530 --> 00:50:48,130
probably still gonna go on and you know

1138
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:49,540
there's gonna be a lot of students there

1139
00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:53,200
and I don't think a dormitory there

1140
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:55,540
which would destroy the the you know the

1141
00:51:02,250 --> 00:50:58,090
activity there but it would time will

1142
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:02,260
tell because we you know you know it's

1143
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:06,960
kind of like you know well you know

1144
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:09,010
it'll be really interesting to hear the

1145
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:11,140
stories I know it's not going to get

1146
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:13,510
still it's still active I know is it

1147
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:15,460
wasn't only you guys but I've had people

1148
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,210
call me and tell me that they had been

1149
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:21,040
in the Bradshaw ranch they saw this that

1150
00:51:27,850 --> 00:51:23,570
and Bigfoot I know I

1151
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:27,860
a group oh yeah I remember i I just I

1152
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:31,610
did a talk to nineteen women from from

1153
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:36,290
Canada and and they they were there all

1154
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:37,610
went on to the Bradshaw ranch took

1155
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:40,190
pictures and they they had experiences

1156
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:42,410
and I'm trying to remember the best ones

1157
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:45,740
but you know unless I write things down

1158
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:48,950
I don't remember but one girl came out

1159
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:51,110
and said she said she had a muddy

1160
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:53,890
Bigfoot handprint on the hood of a car

1161
00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:56,660
another girl that described it I said

1162
00:52:02,680 --> 00:51:58,730
well you know hidden rained a long time

1163
00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:02,690
so and she was parked just outside the

1164
00:52:07,590 --> 00:52:05,150
gate at the Bradshaw ranch and I another

1165
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:07,600
girl said yeah I saw it it was this huge

1166
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:10,550
handprint muddy handprint on the hood of

1167
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:13,130
her car and I told her I just Emily can

1168
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:15,290
you send me a copy of that photograph I

1169
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:17,330
know but did you know most a lot of

1170
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:21,760
times I don't so you know so at any rate

1171
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:25,910
let's see what Turner knows the other

1172
00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:28,220
stuff that the girls had but they I know

1173
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:30,620
the windmill was one they had some kind

1174
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:33,230
of a encounter oh one of the things that

1175
00:52:38,170 --> 00:52:35,390
happens around that windmill and this

1176
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:38,180
happened to a TV crew the animal planet

1177
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:41,450
was out here one time they say the guy I

1178
00:52:45,610 --> 00:52:43,790
don't remember who it was but he went up

1179
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:45,620
there he went up on the top of the hill

1180
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:48,760
to take a leak and he didn't come back

1181
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:52,310
an hour later I don't know if he came in

1182
00:52:55,330 --> 00:52:54,140
anyway you know the filming schedule he

1183
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:55,340
said they said where the hell have you

1184
00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:55,730
been

1185
00:52:59,860 --> 00:52:59,090
minutes I went up to get atop the hill

1186
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,870
to take a leak

1187
00:53:04,030 --> 00:53:01,520
and he said the funny thing is I heard

1188
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:04,040
these strange voices and sounds of

1189
00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:07,370
horses in the distance and I and I you

1190
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:10,360
know I was there when he came back and

1191
00:53:15,310 --> 00:53:13,010
so he had an auto missing time he didn't

1192
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:15,320
realize it this was yeah Animal Planet

1193
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,330
Discovery Channel wow that's that it's

1194
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:22,160
like where time is of the essence and

1195
00:53:25,780 --> 00:53:23,570
you don't want to miss out on a minute

1196
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:25,790
that's why I'd be fascinating

1197
00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:29,450
there's is is the phenomena associated

1198
00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:32,920
with missing time have you heard of any

1199
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:36,280
correlations with other locations where

1200
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:40,840
there is one location that somebody's

1201
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:42,130
missing time and then they're found in

1202
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,740
another location I can't remember any

1203
00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:46,480
that happened at the Bradshaw ranch but

1204
00:53:54,570 --> 00:53:48,700
I would think that that is a place where

1205
00:53:57,060 --> 00:53:54,580
that could happen oh you know well on

1206
00:53:59,790 --> 00:53:57,070
the Bradshaw ranch that there was never

1207
00:54:01,680 --> 00:53:59,800
any case of missing time that I know of

1208
00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:01,690
like you know a couple hours to a few

1209
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:04,870
hours or whatever but I you know I'd

1210
00:54:10,830 --> 00:54:09,520
have to I did I'd say no as far as I

1211
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:10,840
know there's never been any cases of

1212
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:12,490
missing time a lot of people don't you

1213
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:13,720
know they don't look at their walk they

1214
00:54:18,450 --> 00:54:15,310
don't keep track of time so if they

1215
00:54:20,070 --> 00:54:18,460
don't know but that was not a big thing

1216
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:20,080
that happened you know at the Bradshaw

1217
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:23,410
ranch and any kind of consistent basis

1218
00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:24,850
if it ever happened at all

1219
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:27,550
you're so right about the time and how

1220
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:29,170
people just they look at their phone

1221
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:31,090
that's the best evidence they just stick

1222
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:33,310
with that they don't question it they're

1223
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:35,350
not looking at a timepiece that may or

1224
00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:39,730
may not be missing an hour good point

1225
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:42,340
do you what do you think is speaking of

1226
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:43,690
evidence what do you think is the best

1227
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:47,380
evidence that you've seen to the

1228
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:51,640
existence of these dimensional portals

1229
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:57,490
oh stuff that I've seen well that would

1230
00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:01,680
be that would be difficult well you know

1231
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:04,270
we've got all kinds of photographic

1232
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:07,150
evidence but I had this thing going with

1233
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:08,560
ancient aliens they were going to do a

1234
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:10,270
show on a Bradshaw it fell through

1235
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:11,950
mainly because of interference from the

1236
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,830
Forest Service but we were we run a

1237
00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:17,200
Bradshaw ranch one night in the the duck

1238
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:19,180
they had seven dogs on the ranch and

1239
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:21,640
theythey they would put dark fur going

1240
00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:23,580
well under dollars ranch they keep it a

1241
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:26,380
lot I suppose so anyway they had seven

1242
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:29,290
dogs and the dogs with furrious ball and

1243
00:55:33,090 --> 00:55:30,850
the sand in front of the ranch and

1244
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:33,100
spread of the ranch house in the winters

1245
00:55:38,670 --> 00:55:35,530
keep along the summer to keep cold so

1246
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:38,680
one night Linda and I were just taking

1247
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:40,810
photographs at all seven dogs jumped up

1248
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:43,840
simultaneously and ran towards the old

1249
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,290
apple orchard and unbeknownst to us a

1250
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:48,559
creature had been watching

1251
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:52,160
for probably hours so and the ancient

1252
00:55:55,329 --> 00:55:53,839
aliens wanted to do a show on this but

1253
00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:55,339
it just it just didn't happen it got too

1254
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,180
complicated

1255
00:56:01,509 --> 00:55:58,400
oh my gosh because that the hidden power

1256
00:56:06,489 --> 00:56:01,519
of that property is just phenomenal yeah

1257
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:06,499
so so anyway we put the dogs rant we had

1258
00:56:10,059 --> 00:56:08,569
three million candlepower all right so

1259
00:56:12,009 --> 00:56:10,069
we shine know where the dogs was gone

1260
00:56:15,099 --> 00:56:12,019
and there was a creature there by the

1261
00:56:17,709 --> 00:56:15,109
fence post and the dogs were coming up

1262
00:56:19,390 --> 00:56:17,719
on it really fast and it started it

1263
00:56:23,739 --> 00:56:19,400
didn't you didn't really run it just

1264
00:56:25,749 --> 00:56:23,749
well a friend has walked and it was

1265
00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:25,759
brown everything on it was human

1266
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:29,900
humanoid but everything is brown skin

1267
00:56:36,429 --> 00:56:33,650
here clothes shoes everything is brown

1268
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:36,439
and it was about 5 foot 6 inches tall

1269
00:56:41,019 --> 00:56:38,809
and we followed it when it went across

1270
00:56:42,699 --> 00:56:41,029
the opening layer by the ranch and it

1271
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:42,709
got to a yucca tree and it just

1272
00:56:46,749 --> 00:56:44,660
disappeared just blinked out and then

1273
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:46,759
the dogs caught up with it and it never

1274
00:56:52,359 --> 00:56:49,609
it would not turn its face to look at us

1275
00:56:55,839 --> 00:56:52,369
and we we ran it at that time and time

1276
00:56:58,419 --> 00:56:55,849
again if we had a photograph being it

1277
00:57:00,189 --> 00:56:58,429
was never her face it was always turned

1278
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,199
like turned away from us then I think

1279
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,559
all we got about 8 photographs like that

1280
00:57:09,459 --> 00:57:05,359
so anyway next day of inter and I went

1281
00:57:11,789 --> 00:57:09,469
up there and it was harder shot dead out

1282
00:57:15,009 --> 00:57:11,799
there powder saw you know you know a

1283
00:57:17,739 --> 00:57:15,019
bird would have made a track and there

1284
00:57:20,439 --> 00:57:17,749
was the only the tracks of the dogs but

1285
00:57:22,059 --> 00:57:20,449
no no other tracks no no boot you know

1286
00:57:24,489 --> 00:57:22,069
no shoe tracks or anything else and so

1287
00:57:26,529 --> 00:57:24,499
it later and I spent a couple of hours

1288
00:57:28,989 --> 00:57:26,539
just sticking up experimenting around

1289
00:57:30,429 --> 00:57:28,999
that yucca tree sticking our arms

1290
00:57:31,449 --> 00:57:30,439
through it you know it's like can you

1291
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,459
see my arm you know

1292
00:57:35,739 --> 00:57:34,160
did my arm disappears and we saw email

1293
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:35,749
we didn't have we didn't get sucked into

1294
00:57:40,059 --> 00:57:37,609
a pole or didn't find one but it

1295
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:40,069
disappeared it's absolutely fascinating

1296
00:57:45,489 --> 00:57:43,130
Tom what you mentioned about this this

1297
00:57:47,739 --> 00:57:45,499
this like you said the angles and the

1298
00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:47,749
perception how you wonder did there's no

1299
00:57:52,569 --> 00:57:49,400
way I could have seen that and you check

1300
00:57:54,370 --> 00:57:52,579
things and and it's also interesting

1301
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:54,380
what you said about the Forest Service I

1302
00:57:58,089 --> 00:57:55,849
encountered that on my own with with

1303
00:57:58,540 --> 00:57:58,099
with a group of individuals who we went

1304
00:58:00,430 --> 00:57:58,550
out

1305
00:58:02,410 --> 00:58:00,440
and when you speak to these forests

1306
00:58:05,890 --> 00:58:02,420
service people even if you hike way in

1307
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:05,900
and go way way way way way in there into

1308
00:58:10,060 --> 00:58:07,940
the into the into the deep country

1309
00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:10,070
you'll find that these people will say

1310
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,140
one thing if they're off the record and

1311
00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:14,720
a completely different thing if they're

1312
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,790
on the record and I find that

1313
00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:18,640
fascinating

1314
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:22,040
well the volunteers they're just there

1315
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,330
on their own time you know they're not

1316
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:25,760
the nut that just got a uniform all and

1317
00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:29,270
it meets they had no you know we were I

1318
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:30,800
was in Grand Canyon about three weeks

1319
00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:32,900
ago three quarters ago and was with two

1320
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:36,140
women and we we I don't know how this

1321
00:58:40,750 --> 00:58:38,510
women woman found it I really don't I

1322
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:40,760
really don't I wonder how in the hell

1323
00:58:44,590 --> 00:58:42,950
did this woman find us but we were you

1324
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,600
know they most of people to go in there

1325
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:46,160
city people and oh absolutely nothing

1326
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,570
about snakes or anything else so we were

1327
00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:49,520
down in the creek this girls yelling

1328
00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:51,500
don't go down there the snakes gonna

1329
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:53,060
come back on the trail this snakes down

1330
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,430
there and I'm going a bunch of BS you

1331
00:59:00,130 --> 00:58:58,160
know having the call my self-respect

1332
00:59:02,290 --> 00:59:00,140
respect the rattlesnake with everybody

1333
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:02,300
around down here so you could have come

1334
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:03,680
back up here on the trail and I don't

1335
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:05,870
know where that girl came from because

1336
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:07,250
we were quite a ways back in Blaine

1337
00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:09,550
Canyon it was a 100 degree day

1338
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:12,590
you know I just totally baffle there

1339
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:13,670
must have been some kind of an

1340
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:16,910
electronic sensor that alerted her and

1341
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,730
still I don't know where she came from

1342
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:21,200
you know if it makes no sense whatsoever

1343
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:22,970
and this just happened about three weeks

1344
00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:28,490
ago and there's there's a lot of strange

1345
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:29,840
instances like that

1346
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:32,330
when did the phenomena start at the

1347
00:59:45,850 --> 00:59:38,090
Bradshaw ranch do you know that yeah Bob

1348
00:59:52,420 --> 00:59:45,860
had been there since 1949 so I as a

1349
00:59:57,070 --> 00:59:52,430
guest as Linda contacted me in 1988 and

1350
00:59:58,660 --> 00:59:57,080
it had it evidently had been going on

1351
01:00:00,640 --> 00:59:58,670
for about a year because she was

1352
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:00,650
photographing or to getting photographs

1353
01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:02,390
of orbs and other strange things were

1354
01:00:07,630 --> 01:00:03,830
happening around the ranch strange

1355
01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:07,640
sounds and all that and so so Linda she

1356
01:00:10,819 --> 01:00:08,849
sent me a letter with

1357
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:10,829
all photographing I would just be light

1358
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,880
it because I had heard about the

1359
01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:13,440
Bradshaw ass I just wanted to go down

1360
01:00:17,299 --> 01:00:14,670
there and I spent the next four and a

1361
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:17,309
half years there but at the same time

1362
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,410
Linda's crystalline in Pine Bush New

1363
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:21,599
York was getting photographs of aura and

1364
01:00:25,759 --> 01:00:23,940
limited crystal minarets started the

1365
01:00:30,620 --> 01:00:25,769
whole orb phenomenon from there spread

1366
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:30,630
all around the world amazing Wow

1367
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:33,210
because yeah that was not a thing this

1368
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:35,970
is the new now everybody knows what an

1369
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:38,249
orb is you know that it may be power

1370
01:00:43,339 --> 01:00:40,529
incarnate floating through weathered

1371
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:43,349
light or day and I've had people argue

1372
01:00:46,839 --> 01:00:44,910
oh you can't see him in the daytime or

1373
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:46,849
you can't see him in the nighttime and

1374
01:00:53,989 --> 01:00:50,400
similarly you know there's photographic

1375
01:00:56,269 --> 01:00:53,999
evidence of both even even on you know

1376
01:00:58,460 --> 01:00:56,279
properties I've assisted on like putting

1377
01:01:01,579 --> 01:00:58,470
the cameras on and there's photographic

1378
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:01,589
evidence of both so there's there's it's

1379
01:01:05,479 --> 01:01:03,420
something real that you guys were tapped

1380
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:05,489
into so ahead of your time it's just

1381
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:07,369
fascinating and I just wanted to

1382
01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:09,690
wholeheartedly thank you for you know

1383
01:01:13,819 --> 01:01:11,640
being on the show and it's been such a

1384
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:13,829
pleasure and honor to to have you on the

1385
01:01:21,319 --> 01:01:18,170
podcast anything new coming anything

1386
01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:21,329
that stands out to you from the area do

1387
01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:26,180
you see anything that is of interest

1388
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:29,069
coming up or or is it just is it just

1389
01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:32,819
kind of one of these constant

1390
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,660
intermittent location time you know

1391
01:01:41,209 --> 01:01:39,599
cyclical things with these portals well

1392
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:41,219
it's like it's like you three guys donal

1393
01:01:46,759 --> 01:01:43,410
Bradshaw I see just it's just faradic

1394
01:01:50,839 --> 01:01:46,769
like that it's not consistent at all so

1395
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:50,849
you know it's really you know there's

1396
01:01:55,779 --> 01:01:52,380
just too many people are going into the

1397
01:01:58,339 --> 01:01:55,789
canyons now I think it's you know

1398
01:01:59,660 --> 01:01:58,349
driving it away or whatever you know you

1399
01:02:02,509 --> 01:01:59,670
earlier on you were talking about

1400
01:02:04,219 --> 01:02:02,519
footprints and footsteps and voices no

1401
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:04,229
creature was there two legged creature

1402
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:05,609
but that you could hear the sound of the

1403
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:07,859
crunching I've heard that I never hear

1404
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:11,670
those stories anymore mm-hmm yep yep

1405
01:02:16,219 --> 01:02:14,339
they're still happening and you know it

1406
01:02:17,959 --> 01:02:16,229
they're I think a lot of it has to do

1407
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:17,969
with these locations that are magical

1408
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:19,410
and you're so blessed to have been a

1409
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:20,970
part of like I think in my opinion

1410
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,660
the most energetic time and probably one

1411
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:26,160
of the most magical spots on the planet

1412
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:27,660
ever like one of the most magical

1413
01:02:32,060 --> 01:02:30,030
ecosystems and that's something I wanted

1414
01:02:34,099 --> 01:02:32,070
to ask you do you think how are we gonna

1415
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:34,109
convince people that these are magical

1416
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:36,210
ecosystems that should be protected and

1417
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:39,330
not be you know dosed and you know

1418
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:41,640
houses thrown up or I don't know like

1419
01:02:45,290 --> 01:02:43,590
it's hard to explain

1420
01:02:47,390 --> 01:02:45,300
you know because and a lot of

1421
01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:47,400
characteristics these are just Badlands

1422
01:02:52,070 --> 01:02:49,740
but on the other hand if they're

1423
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:52,080
actually locations that have portals and

1424
01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:54,420
paths of power for interdimensional

1425
01:03:02,380 --> 01:02:57,990
entities this is a very important thing

1426
01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:02,390
and kind of a very vulnerable and unique

1427
01:03:08,359 --> 01:03:04,590
ecosystem that probably shall be

1428
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:08,369
protected at all costs well as long as

1429
01:03:12,830 --> 01:03:11,040
money to be made this business it's not

1430
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:12,840
going to be stopped when they develop

1431
01:03:18,290 --> 01:03:14,490
long canyon there are three million

1432
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:18,300
dollar houses been built in long can and

1433
01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:20,220
that was one of that that was one of the

1434
01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:25,140
the really great paranormal spots and it

1435
01:03:29,030 --> 01:03:27,540
is now you know in the back of the

1436
01:03:31,940 --> 01:03:29,040
canyon things are still going on but not

1437
01:03:33,290 --> 01:03:31,950
whether this new development is not the

1438
01:03:34,849 --> 01:03:33,300
golf course it's a three million dollar

1439
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:34,859
house I mean so you know what are you

1440
01:03:39,530 --> 01:03:36,990
going to do right it's just the way it

1441
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:39,540
goes isn't it it's well hopefully we'll

1442
01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:41,250
get a little traction sooner or later

1443
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:43,470
it's been such a blessing to have you on

1444
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:46,050
Tom you're such a great guy and I wish

1445
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:48,050
people knew you the way I did because

1446
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:50,520
everything I I've never talked to a

1447
01:03:56,089 --> 01:03:52,260
researcher that's been more honest to me

1448
01:03:58,579 --> 01:03:56,099
about their actual experiences and I

1449
01:04:00,349 --> 01:03:58,589
think your photographic evidence is so

1450
01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:00,359
far ahead of its time

1451
01:04:07,220 --> 01:04:04,440
that I mean kudos hats off to you it's

1452
01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:07,230
just it's just an honor to always you

1453
01:04:10,820 --> 01:04:08,940
know get your time and be able to speak

1454
01:04:12,140 --> 01:04:10,830
with you about things that you know

1455
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:12,150
you're obviously interested in I

1456
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:15,900
appreciate it well it's been a pleasure

1457
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:19,410
right thanks thanks much I you know I'm

1458
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:22,740
still still here I I do like to you know

1459
01:04:26,570 --> 01:04:24,810
talk about this stuff because people

1460
01:04:30,020 --> 01:04:26,580
need to pay attention to it because it's

1461
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:30,030
real well if I have the opportunity I

1462
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,730
just had a newborn but I'm if I get down

1463
01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:34,720
that way there's a possibility

1464
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:37,540
the next couple well we'll see okay

1465
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,310
actually about three months there's

1466
01:04:42,270 --> 01:04:40,960
possibly in the next three months but I

1467
01:04:43,770 --> 01:04:42,280
will definitely reach out to you because

1468
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:43,780
it would be great to tap with you again

1469
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:45,790
and and just see you again and I really

1470
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:48,609
appreciate your your honesty and just

1471
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,369
your depth of perception into something

1472
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:53,200
that's so magical like it's just such

1473
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,650
such an amazing place and and thank you

1474
01:05:01,770 --> 01:04:58,319
so much Tom you're you're such a

1475
01:05:03,450 --> 01:05:01,780
researcher ahead of your time and and I

1476
01:05:05,490 --> 01:05:03,460
think you know you always have your

1477
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:05,500
pulse on what's going on and I

1478
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:17,150
take care totally you bet

1479
01:05:23,609 --> 01:05:20,370
is it me or is Tom donkus' real as they

1480
01:05:27,089 --> 01:05:23,619
get he's just the coolest cat and he's

1481
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:27,099
exactly how he seems he's he knows

1482
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:29,530
exactly what's going on he's he's really

1483
01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:33,010
in tune and it was just an honor and a

1484
01:05:40,349 --> 01:05:36,280
blessing to be able to have him on as

1485
01:05:42,089 --> 01:05:40,359
far as Future casts we are starting to

1486
01:05:46,410 --> 01:05:42,099
get them lined up stacked up whatever

1487
01:05:47,609 --> 01:05:46,420
you want to call it back down but the we

1488
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:47,619
want to also kind of like bring your

1489
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,770
desire into realization as well so we're

1490
01:05:54,089 --> 01:05:52,480
set in a way that we're gonna be able to

1491
01:05:56,339 --> 01:05:54,099
do that a more interactive with like

1492
01:05:59,940 --> 01:05:56,349
especially our patrons our pot being

1493
01:06:03,390 --> 01:05:59,950
paid patrons and hopefully we will be

1494
01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:03,400
having patreon see and be on iTunes and

1495
01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:05,140
I think we're on YouTube so that's cool

1496
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:10,180
this happening keep in touch with hero

1497
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:13,130
paranormal com

1498
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:16,550
feel free to get the pot beam app it's

1499
01:06:26,020 --> 01:06:23,980
also check out space wolf research comm

1500
01:06:28,330 --> 01:06:26,030
which is like a research project for

1501
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:28,340
doing it's pretty fun kind of the thing

1502
01:06:34,570 --> 01:06:31,760
you'd expect and keep in touch with

1503
01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:34,580
everything going on here Oh paranormal

1504
01:06:39,730 --> 01:06:36,230
trying to bring you the heroes of the

1505
01:06:44,740 --> 01:06:39,740
paranormal the scientific the fringe

1506
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:44,750
elements of society and culture seem

1507
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:47,720
we'll have things that delve into deeper

1508
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:50,030
darker realms and some delve into

1509
01:06:58,330 --> 01:06:54,410
extreme light so we have him the the man

1510
01:07:01,840 --> 01:06:58,340
the myth the legend the Ivy League when

1511
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:01,850
it comes to portal proximity locations

1512
01:07:07,630 --> 01:07:04,730
whether you're dealing with entities

1513
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:07,640
from other dimensions or possible

1514
01:07:12,910 --> 01:07:09,850
sasquatch the phenomena associated with

1515
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:12,920
one particular ranch and associated with

1516
01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:15,290
other canyons leading down to the ranch

1517
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:17,750
what's what's with the canyons in the

1518
01:07:21,730 --> 01:07:19,510
phenomena associated with them are

1519
01:07:23,380 --> 01:07:21,740
portals in the area are these portals

1520
01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:23,390
constant are the intermittent in

1521
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:24,560
location in time

1522
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:27,500
what are they is anybody doing any real

1523
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:30,890
research like this guy did no not really

1524
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,690
of course there are government

1525
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:37,280
conspiracies and possibilities that

1526
01:07:42,190 --> 01:07:39,530
ownership is buy up for example the

1527
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:42,200
University of well the location that is

1528
01:07:46,510 --> 01:07:43,970
currently being studied for cottonwoods

1529
01:07:48,310 --> 01:07:46,520
I'm just glad that the location is

1530
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:48,320
locked down because it's definitely

1531
01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:52,190
magical and such a pleasure to have the

1532
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:54,950
master you know in an honor to have Tom

1533
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:56,250
dango I mean

1534
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,160
on the podcast I went through a list of

1535
01:08:02,810 --> 01:08:01,200
people and a variety of folks that have

1536
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:02,820
written in and others that I've been

1537
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:05,130
reaching out to regarding some of these

1538
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:06,900
subjects and when it comes to the

1539
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,420
Bradshaw ranch and the reality that

1540
01:08:15,290 --> 01:08:12,480
through portal proximity very similar to

1541
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:15,300
the skinwalker corridor and the valley

1542
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:20,190
there below skinwalker Ridge and the

1543
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:24,450
area that's been known as the well path

1544
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:26,940
of the skinwalker the shapeshifter where

1545
01:08:31,190 --> 01:08:28,890
reality is bended through portal

1546
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:31,200
proximity and meditative states that are

1547
01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:33,690
brought on through cultural either

1548
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,259
curses or witchcraft and I sincerely

1549
01:08:42,499 --> 01:08:39,359
believe that this is a seek and ye shall

1550
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,509
find type of a situation in the

1551
01:08:48,610 --> 01:08:45,359
proximity that space wolf researches to

1552
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:48,620
the location we found things that have

1553
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,750
well our ability is doubted and in the

1554
01:08:55,940 --> 01:08:53,520
moment of discovery because you never

1555
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:55,950
know what you're up against and what I

1556
01:09:02,690 --> 01:09:00,080
can say is having been a bit of a

1557
01:09:05,019 --> 01:09:02,700
practitioner myself at least like

1558
01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:05,029
everyone else just as a means to

1559
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:07,140
understand what we're dead generally

1560
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:09,480
talking about I would have to say that

1561
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,190
those with good fortune being of

1562
01:09:16,570 --> 01:09:14,000
privilege expect and usually receive

1563
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:16,580
leniency justice and opportunity while

1564
01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:19,980
those that are surrounded by other

1565
01:09:24,620 --> 01:09:22,950
things don't and I could see witchcraft

1566
01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:24,630
being obtained and being used to

1567
01:09:30,190 --> 01:09:26,759
cultivate and give instruction to those

1568
01:09:32,599 --> 01:09:30,200
who want what the others have and

1569
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:32,609
rituals for cursing and hexing your

1570
01:09:38,209 --> 01:09:35,850
enemies this is a very culturally at

1571
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:38,219
least historically accepted truth in

1572
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,650
fact that this is a possibility in the

1573
01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:42,480
matrix of what can and cannot be

1574
01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:46,190
especially in the paths the hidden paths

1575
01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:49,790
that the secret leagues of black

1576
01:09:56,710 --> 01:09:53,950
magicians use to gain power and this is

1577
01:10:00,750 --> 01:09:56,720
identifiable in Native American tribes

1578
01:10:04,990 --> 01:10:00,760
this is identifiable in the deep-rooted

1579
01:10:09,130 --> 01:10:05,000
historical royalty of most generational

1580
01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:09,140
cultures that have at least located

1581
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:10,820
themselves where the United States is

1582
01:10:14,770 --> 01:10:13,130
now as well as other parts in the planet

1583
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:14,780
so there's very few cultures that are

1584
01:10:20,380 --> 01:10:17,840
not touched by this power pyramid that

1585
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:20,390
seems to not sincerely but

1586
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:22,850
wholeheartedly be after power domination

1587
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:26,570
and hidden paths that lead to that if

1588
01:10:34,030 --> 01:10:30,170
you can't go to hero paranormal com sign

1589
01:10:35,980 --> 01:10:34,040
up at hero paranormal pod be calm and

1590
01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:35,990
you can get all kinds of awesome stuff

1591
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:38,600
like special episodes that aren't

1592
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:40,850
available to other people you become an

1593
01:10:45,610 --> 01:10:43,910
Insider you get secrets of the bunker is

1594
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:45,620
what I like to call it I don't want to

1595
01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:47,450
talk about it but that's what you'll get

1596
01:10:54,190 --> 01:10:50,920
you'll also get special exclusive

1597
01:10:56,110 --> 01:10:54,200
location Airy data and things that

1598
01:10:58,420 --> 01:10:56,120
happen on property that other people

1599
01:11:02,260 --> 01:10:58,430
don't get if you want to get tax or

1600
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:02,270
emails just let us know and definitely

1601
01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:04,910
shoot over to space wolf research an

1602
01:11:10,210 --> 01:11:07,820
actual research organization that is

1603
01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:10,220
being privately funded we need donations

1604
01:11:17,020 --> 01:11:13,490
we want special things like safety not a

1605
01:11:18,490 --> 01:11:17,030
big deal or the cameras but yeah it's

1606
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:18,500
very expensive we're getting it done

1607
01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:21,890
hold up last but not least check out you

1608
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:25,100
tell you a foam hunters and until next

1609
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:26,080
time

1610
01:11:37,930 --> 01:11:29,330
eyes to the skies feet on the ground but

1611
01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:45,000
[Music]

1612
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:48,520
cool blast off in my time machine there

1613
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:54,590
I feel like advising blast off no last